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More dangerous research: Anthropologist detained, beaten, forcibly disappeared in Egypt

UPDATES: He was released by presidential decree on July 30, 2022 and now has successfully defended his Master’s thesis :Following Unjust Imprisonment, Ahmed Samir Santawy Completes Master’s Studies at CEU (28.9.2023) but the Egyptian authorities have imposed an arbitrary travel ban on him (amnesty, 3.6.2023)


Not only in Iran but also in Egypt authorities feel threatend by anthropological research. Especially when the topic has something to do with human rights – in the following case – women’s rights and abortion.

When graduate student Ahmed Samir Santawy December last year arrived at Sharm el-Sheikh airport from Vienna (where he studies at the Central European University), he was taken aside by the National Security Agency and questioned about his research. One month later, his family home in Cairo was raided, and the security forces looked through the family’s phones. As Ahmed Samir was not present, the NSA officers told his family to send him to the police station as soon as he’s back.

The anthropologist went to the police station on January 30 and 1st of February. Since then, nobody has seen him anymore. He never returned.

He was – as many reserachers, journalists, and activists before him – forcibly disappeared.

Tweet by journalist Osama Gaweesh

Forced disappearance are usually defined as cases when a state actor or collaborator secretly abducts or imprisons a person and refuses to acknowledge their fate or whereabouts. In Egypt, forced disappearances have become a common way for the regime to deal with its (perceived) opponents and critics.

In Egypt, the case of the Italian PhD student Giulio Regeni from the University of Cambridge is maybe the most famous one internationally. Regini was researching workers’ rights in Egypt. Five years ago, while on his way to meet a friend in downtown Cairo, he disappeared. More than one week later his dead body was found on the side of a highway on the outskirts of Cairo bearing marks of severe torture.

But it is only one year ago when another academic, the Egyptian Erasmus student Patrick George Zaki who was pursuing a master’s degree at the University of Bologna, was arrested from the Cairo airport and forcibly disappeared, beaten, stripped, and electrocuted on his back and his stomach, and threatened with rape. "A new Zaki case in Egypt" was therefore the headline when Italian news wrote about Ahmed Samir Santawy*s dispperance two days ago.

Ahmed Samir Santawy reappeared a few days ago, frightened and with a swollen face, he was beaten. He was not with his family, though, but behind the bars of the State Security Prosecution of Cairo. He was – as the other journalists, researchers and activists before him – charged for joining a terrorist group and dissemination of false information. He has been ordered held in remand for 15 days by the State Security Prosecution.

In the meantime both the European Association of Social Anthropologists (EASA) andthe Central European University in Vienna call for his release. University rector and president Michael Ignatieff said to Austrian public broadcaster ORF that cooperation with Egypt will be stopped until Ahmed Samir is released.

Tweet by the European Association of Social Anthropologists (EASA)

EASA writes:

The European Association of Social Anthropologists (EASA) is deeply concerned by the detention without charge of Mr Ahmed Samir Abd El-Hai Ali, a Sociology and Social Anthropology Masters student at Central European University, Vienna, by Egyptian security services in Cairo. Mr Abd El-Hai Ali is a researcher and student of good standing, working on the history of reproductive law and policy in Egypt.

EASA urges the government of Egypt to take all steps necessary to ensure Ahmed’s swift and safe release, that his legal rights are respected and that he is afforded all legal assistance necessary.

The American Anthropological Association also called for his release in an open letter to the Minister of Interior Tawfiq:

(…)
As scholarly associations with a combined membership of more than 20,000 worldwide, we are committed to the principles of academic freedom and freedom of expression in a democratic society. Our Associations stand for advancing understanding of the human condition through anthropological research, and for applying this understanding to addressing some of the world’s most pressing problems. As an Egyptian student pursuing his Master’s degree in anthropology at Central European University in Vienna, Ahmed is making significant scholarly contributions to help build these bridges of understanding.

We strongly urge the Egyptian Ministry of Interior to do what it can to effect Mr. Samir’s release and safe return to his family. Please don’t hesitate to contact us if we can provide additional information.

PS: He is both called Ahmed Samir Santawy and Ahmed Samir Abd El-Hai and Ahmed Samir Abdelhay Ali – Arab names are a complicated matter!
PPS: Embedding of Tweets did not work well on all devices, I replaced them with screenshots

UPDATES 8.2.2021

Austrian news sites have started writing about Ahmed Samir Abd El-Hai today, and the Austrian National Union of Students federal body of Representatives callis for his release (in German only):


Forsea – a NGO fighting for human rights in Southeast Asia – also calls for his release:

Ahmed has been involved in several projects with human rights organizations and NGOs in Egypt as a vocal human rights defender. Ahmed’s case is the latest in a series of cases of students being harassed and forcefully detained by Egyptian authorities.

Forced disappearance is a threat to those that oppose regimes. In Southeast Asia, forced disappearance has long been a tool for dictatorial regimes to silence critics. For example, in the Thai case, in the past 5 years, there have been 10 dissidents abducted, forcedly disappeared and killed. The disappearance of Ahmed Samir Abdehay Ali reflected this trend of state crimes across the region.


UPDATE 12.2.2021: AMNESTY CAMPAIGN

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL STARTS CAMPAIGN: EGYPT – PRISONER OF CONSCIENCE DETAINED INCOMMUNICADO: AHMED SAMIR SANTAWY: Amnesty asks you to take action and write an appeal. They provide a model letter (pdf)


Update 16.2.2021: Support from Scotland: An Edinburgh University graduate is calling for the release of her classmate from an Egyptian jail (The Scotsman 16.2.2021)

Update 3.3.2021: PEN America today joined with free expression allies globally demanding the release of Egyptian student Ahmed Samir Santawy: Detention and Abuse of Egyptian Student is Part of Ongoing Assault on Free Expression, Academic Freedom

Read more / Sources:

Forcibly disappeared graduate student brought before prosecution, handed 15-day remand detention order (Mada Masr 6.2.2021)

Egypt, the student of the University of Vienna has reappeared: he is in prison. “Frightened and with a swollen face, he was beaten” (Italy24News, 6.2.2021)

Egyptian student and human rights advocate detained by Cairo police (TRTWorld 5.2.2021)

Italy charges Egyptian security agency officials over murder of PhD student Giulio Regeni (The Guardian 10.12.2020)

Egypt – Hundreds disappeared and tortured amid wave of brutal repression (Amnesty International 13.7.2016)

Egypt cracking down harder on human rights groups, experts say (The Guardian 23.11.2020)

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When research becomes dangerous: Anthropologist facing jail smuggles himself out over snowy mountains

Kareem Ahmady: “I just simply left”. Photo: Ahmady’s website

One month ago I have written about anthropologist Kareem Ahmady, who has researched child marriage, female genital mutilation (FGM) and sexuality in Iran, before:

Iran jails anthropologist for "subversive research", "seeking cultural changes" and "promoting homosexuality".

Today following headline appeared on his blog:

Eventually I made the decision which I had been struggling with for a long time – the decision to escape.

He writes:

Eventually, in a bitterly cold, dark night, I embarked on a journey. Every hour of that unforgettable night, with every path that opened before me through the tough route, I wondered whether there are any roads more impassable than prejudice, ignorance, tyranny and isolation from the rest of the world.

Kurds are known to have no friends but mountains; on the night of my departure, with no lantern to light my path but the white snow, I realized again that the mountains were giving me a shelter and aiding me to start a new beginning with even stronger determination. (…)

What I have been through for the past one and a half years, is the story of a sad tragedy whose sequence, although real, is unbelievable. The Revolutionary Guard security system intended to introduce me as one of the main tools of the “infiltration scenario”. (…) They had come to the conclusion that I had been trained as a teenager for the purpose of infiltration and overthrowing the system.

Ahmady who is a British-Iranian dual national is now safe in the UK. In Iran he was sentenced to nine years prison. In the verdict that he put online (in English!), we read on the first page:

Kameel Ahmady has been acting as a senior expert in sociology and anthropology, directing the propagation of western principles and weakening Sharia/lawful rules and fundamentals in the field of family and marriage, and promoting the necessity to adopt western and humanist values. He was under observation by the Intelligence Organisation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)

And on page 10:

Generally, it can be said that increasing the age of marriage for children is one of the strategies of the enemy for weakening and ruining the family system; andthat Mr Kameel Ahmady is one of the leaders in the implementation of this strategy in Iran.

And finally:

Ahmady communicated with anti-revolution and problematic institutes and foundations and travelled to occupied Palestinian territories. A teaser, pepper spray, alcohol to the value of alcohol were discovered by Iranian customs (3150000 Rials), as well asother available evidences and documentation. His crime is proved.

Short time after he was everywhere in the news, among others in The New York Times. In an interview with the BBC he said he left without telling anyone but his immediate family:

"I just simply left. I packed my bag with a shaving kit, a few books of mine, and a laptop. And warm clothes, because I knew I had to smuggle myself out of that train in the mountains. It was very cold, very long, very dark and very scary.

In an interview with The Guardian he nevertheless expressed slight optimism and said he would like to have a role in helping create a dialogue.:

“The Islamic regime is run by a small minority, the so-called hardliners, but that generation of leaders are dying out.

“Most people, those not making a living from high politics, corruption, are not reformers or fundamentalists but people who want to see change. There is a hint of hope after the years of hardship and sanctions that have brought people to their knees and crippled the economy.

“If negotiations restart, it’s very important that Iranian civil society and opposition groups are heard on issues like human rights. Nothing good ever came out of conflict and fanaticism, and I say that from personal experience.”

UPDATE 12.2.2021:

The Guardian writes: British-Iranian anthropologist who fled Iran accused of sexual abuse:

Four women have separately claimed to the Guardian that he assaulted them, and others have made allegations of repeated sexual harassment. (…)
Ahmady said in a statement that the accusations were “baseless slander” organised by professional rivals and the Iranian state in an attempt to smear him and undermine his work. He also said two accusers had been in consensual relationships with him.

SEE EARLIER ON ANTROPOLOGI.INFO with more information about Kameel Ahmady’s research:

Iran jails anthropologist for "subversive research", "seeking cultural changes" and "promoting homosexuality"

Kareem Ahmady: "I just simply left". Photo: Ahmady's website
One month ago I have written about anthropologist Kareem Ahmady, who has researched child marriage, female genital mutilation (FGM) and sexuality in Iran, before:

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New anthropology show in Arabic: "Anthropology helps us to understand who exploits us – and who we exploit"

Mai Amer: “I really hope the show encourages viewers to reflecting on and critique certain things they think”. Screenshot from her Facebook page

How can we better understand the world we live in? Not only here in Europe, but also in many Arab countries, many people don’t know what anthropology is and how it can provide them with new perspectives. What to do? In the beginning, there were blogs. Now other kind of media have become popular: podcasts, video channels and shows.

MadaMasr, my favorite Egyptian news site and magazin, interviews anthropologist Mai Amer, who has created of a new show titled Tuk Tuk (El Tok Tok in Arabic). Her aim is to make anthropological concepts more accessible for a wider Arabic speaking audience. The show is published on Facebook and produced by Al-Nahda Scientific and Cultural Association.

Three episodes are so far available: a short introduction to anthropology, discussions about the issue of women’s bodies and how culture defines the standards of femininity (including what women should or shouldn’t wear) and a episode about men’s bodies (particularly the use of Viagra and Tramadol). The next episodes will be about social media, popular religious imaginary and mahraganat – popular Egyptian dance music which is Mai Amer’s special field: She wrote her master’s thesis about Mahraganat songs.

The idea sounds brilliant. She explains in this interview:

With the Tuk Tuk through the old town of Cairo. Photo: Mondo79, flickr

> This season, I hope the show does exactly what the tuk tuk does: you get on and from your seat you watch everything going on outside in that neighborhood you don’t know, while the driver knows everyone and keeps greeting people he passes by. And you’re discovering all this from the perspective of your seat in the tuk tuk — not your car or an Uber with the windows rolled up. The tuk tuk means you’re part of the street.

I also like her definition and view about anthropology. Its role is for her to help us understand “where we stand in life: who exploits us, who we exploit, when we are performing and who we are performing to, and when other people are performing for us.” She wants us to "reflect on and critiquing certain things they think, say or do by posing questions or opening up ideas for discussion":

> We usually go through life with pre-made judgments, deeply rooted biases and values instilled by the social class in which we were raised. We’re unaware of our privileges, unaware of others’ privileges, and we’re oblivious to our prejudices and how they affect our everyday behavior.

> We don’t realize we are prisoners of ourselves and of our class. So as members of the middle class for instance, we are convinced that rich people are corrupt, the poor are kind, and those who live in the slums are criminals, and so on. We don’t stop to think how the thoughts that were planted in our subconscious so long ago affect our behavior and our whole perspective of life.

> What anthropology does is it reveals all of this to us; how such processes take place. It helps us figure out where we stand in life: who exploits us, who we exploit, when we are performing and who we are performing to, and when other people are performing for us.

In this interview with Mada Masr journalist Mostafa Mohie she also mentions other initiatives that inspired her, among others Qira2at — by Amr Khairy who publishes Arabic translations of important texts in the humanities and social sciences, and another show on Facebook called Anthropology in Arabic by by Farah Halaba.

Mai Amer is currently working on her PhD on gender in pop songs

>> read the whole interview at Mada Masr

>> visit Tuk Tuk on Facebook

PS: My Arabic is too poor to understand anything serious, so I am just referring to the Mada Masr interview here.

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Mai Amer: "I really hope the show encourages viewers to reflecting on and critique certain things they think". Screenshot from her Facebook page

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(updated) Iran jails anthropologist for "subversive research", "seeking cultural changes" and "promoting homosexuality"

Kameel Ahmady
Kameel Ahmady. Photo: Kameel Ahmady, Wikipedia

14 years ago I wrote about his website: Visual ethnography and Kurdish anthropology by Kameel Ahmady and Photography as research tool: More engaged Kurdish anthropology. I also remember we had a short email exchange. Now I am shocked to read the BBC headline: Kameel Ahmady: British FGM academic ‘jailed in Iran’.

Ahmady has researched child marriage, female genital mutilation (FGM) and sexuality in Iran. In 2015, the BBC reminds us, he published a study suggesting that tens of thousands of Iranian women had undergone female genital mutilation. Until then, Iran had not been widely recognised as a country affected by FGM.

BBC refers to to the Tasnim news agency that is "linked to Iran’s hardliners". Ahmady had been sentenced to nine years in jail and fined €600,000 ($730,000; £545,000) for "accumulating wealth through unlawful means from institutes seeking to overthrow the Iranian regime".

The news agency also said that the anthropologist was also accused of seeking "cultural changes" related to women and children, and that he had allegedly been in contact with foreign media and with the embassies of European countries with the aim of "promoting homosexuality" in Iran.

>> continue reading at BBC News

Kurdistan based journalist Wladimir van Wilgenburg writes on his blog that Kameel Ahmady accused on social media the Iranian judicial authorities of targeting him and trying to stop his research.

According to him, Ahmady wrote:

“The main judicial point of accusations against my research is about the most harmful traditions against the children in the least privileged regions (minority areas of Iran) but the main goal is to accuse my researches’ relation with the cultural influence of 2030 document and halting my activities and research regarding minorities.”

With the "2030 document" he means UNESCO’s education agenda that Iran refused to implement. The goal of the global Education 2030 agenda is to "guarantee access to education for all people, irrespective of age, sex and religion".

The journalist mentions Ahmady’s documentary "In the name of tradition" about FGM in Iran that I am embedding below. Ahmady travels with his colleagues in rural areas in west and south of Iran and talks with women about circumcision of girls: Are girls circumcised here? Why do you do it? Who does it? The film concludes with statements by a doctor and a cleric who condemn this tradition.

Ahmady has recently redesigned his website with a large amount of articles and several documentaries.

Kameel Ahmady, who grew up – as he writes – in a "bi-cultural town with Kurds and Turks" and spoke Kurdish at home, Turkish with his neighbourhood friends and Farsi at school, left after the 1979 Revolution home to study in the UK. In Europe, people from Iran (and many other so-called non-Western countries) might face other issues, see my post from 2006 Censorship of research in the USA: Iranians not allowed to publish papers and from 2010: The "illegal" anthropologist: Shahram Khosravi’s Auto-Ethnography of Borders about everyday racism and global apartheid.

I remember having read about several anthropologists that have been detained in Iran, among others French-Iranian Fariba Adelkhah earlier last year and Homa Hoodfar four years ago.

UPDATE 3.1.2020

Kameel Ahmady contacted me to inform that one of the charges against him was a university visit to Ramallah university in Palestine through the occupied territories. According to Iranian law vising Israel is not allowed and carries prison sentence. The evidence of his travel is the article on his website Hijacked nations; Ethnography of Palestine and Israel (2005)

UPDATE 7.1.2021:

British filmmaker and scholar John Chua, who has worked together with Kameel Ahmady, calls in The Independent for help from the UK: Helping the British academic imprisoned in Iran is Boris Johnson’s chance to redeem himself

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Kameel Ahmady. Photo: Kameel Ahmady, Wikipedia

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Terror in France and ISIS’ Revolution: Anthropologists try to see the whole picture

(draft, post in progress) More surveillance, more bombs, more border controls, less democracy, less freedom: Europe is reacting hysterically after the deadly terror attacks in Paris one week ago. How to make sense of what is happening?

The deadly terror attack in France has brought, as anthropologist Jeremy Trombley at Struggle forever writes, "the violence that people around the world experience on a daily basis back into our own sheltered and secured lives. They remind us not only that the world is a violent place, but that, perhaps, our lives are peaceful because there is violence elsewhere."

People in Europe have during the recent days got the chance to get an inside view into the struggles of people in less priviledged countries that are regularily bombed by the West.

In theory there is a slight possibility for some kind of solidarity or cosmpolitanism to develop out of this, and a critique of Western policies.

The common discourse in mainstream media is – unsurprisingly – a totally different one.

Heather E. Young-Leslie was right when she two days after the attack wrote:

Sadly, l’horreur of Paris 13 Nov. 2015 will, probably, lead to greater political support for the hawks: the anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, pro-militaristic, pro-fascist and neo-Nazi elements in France and other parts of the EU. We will hear that it is necessary to relinquish freedoms in order to protect liberté, and solidarité will be purchased with rhetorics of anti-immigration and victim-blaming.

Double standards. Photo: ugocuesta, flickr

This natio-chauvinist "we" against "them" rethoric tends to silence cautious attempts to discuss the wider context of the terrorist attack, including the role of the West in creating terrorism, and the possibility that the operations by Western powers can be viewed as terrorism as well.

"Them", in the official discourse, not only refers to the Daesh/ISIS attackers but increasingly to all muslims and "non-western" refugees (like those who are escaping the madness i Syria) and immigrants and those who speak Arabic.

Anthropologists react

Several anthropologists, in their immmidiate reactions to the terror attack, insisted to focus on the wider global context of the terror attacks where the Western powers do bear some responsibilities.

Keith Hart, is writing from Paris, in his open letter to his daughter, first published on Facebook:

The fact is that the French killed 1 mn people in the Algerian war of independence, the second genocide they got away with (the other being Vichy). They have now made themselves the US’ closest ally in bombing North Africa and the Middle East, invading Mali, Central African Republic etc. In radio discussions here no-one ever questions their right to do this.

Thomas Hylland Eriksen is reacting in a similar way. "The Syrian conflict, the rise of IS/Daesh, the flows of people out of the country and the reactions with which they are being met in Europe, the feeling of disenfranchisement and marginalisation prevalent among youths of North African origin in France, and the Western countries’ active destabilisation of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya cannot be seen independently of each other", he stresses:

[T]he value of human lives varies depending on where you live and who you are. This may be stating the obvious, but there is rarely if ever a major outrage in the rich countries when a drone attack or a missile targeting a terrorist leader instead ends up killing dozens of innocents, including children. Yet this happens routinely and frequently. Not everybody agrees that it is acceptable that the rich countries murder civilians in poor countries, and the Paris terrorist attack can thus be understood as an act of retribution.

Viewed from an subversive anthropological perspective, the distinction between good and bad guys, between terrorists and victims is not as clear as mainstream politicians suggest.

Terrorists or revolutionaries?

Maybe the term terrorist is not a very helpful one at all. Maybe we can get a better understanding of IS/Daesh when we call them – as anthropologist and terror researcher Scott Atram does – for revolutionaries.

In the Guardian he writes that treating Isis as a form of "terrorism" or "violent extremism" would mask the menace. Instead, he describes Isis as being part of a "dynamic, revolutionary countercultural movement of world historic proportions, with the largest and most diverse volunteer fighting force since the second world war".

In a fascinating interview om Russia Today, he explains the revolutionary aspects and even draws lines back to Hitler.

Sophie Shevardnadze, the interviewer,wonders how it can be possible that ISIS’s horror brings them even more supporters. "Basically", she says, "what I am asking, is ISIS appealing to sick and disturbed people more than normal people?". The anthropologists answers:

No, it appeals to people in span of normal distribution. I mean, it’s like any revolutionary movement, that’s why I think even calling it terrorism or just extremism is beyond the pale. (..) It’s very much like the French revolution, or even the Bolshevik revolution or even the National Socialist revolution… I mean, look at the French revolution, they were eating one another just like Al-Nusra and ISIS and other groups are eating one another like bloodied sharks, and they were invaded by a coalition of the Great Powers, and yet not only they survived, but they endured, and they introduced the notion of terror itself, as an “extreme measure” as they called it, “for the preservation of democracy”, and every revolution since then, every real revolution has done pretty much the same thing, pretty much successfully, so ISIS is no exception.

(…) In any kind of truly revolutionary movement there’s a feeling of invincibility once you’ve fused with your comrades in your cause. The idea is their history is on their side. So, even if they take battlefield losses, they’re not going to consider that a loss at all.

ISIS sings the same tune Hitler did, promising Utopia in the end, the anthropologist says:

Look, George Orwell in his review of Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” back in 1939 have described the essence of the problem. He said: “Mr. Hitler has discovered that human beings don’t only want peace and security and comfort and free from want. They want adventure, glory and self-sacrifice, and Mr. Hitler’s appealed to that – and while the Oxford student union at that time vowed to never fight again, Mr. Hitler has 80 million people fall down to his feet, in one of the most advanced countries in the world.” How did that happen? Again, ISIS is appealing to the same sort of sentiments, that have been appealed to throughout human history… and no, I don’t think we’ve learned much from history about that.

ISIS consists of young poeple, people in transition. ISIS, the interviewer suggests, might be seen as a form of teen rebellion then? The anthropologist agrees. It is – as most revolutionary movements, driven by young – and educated people, he says. But, the interviewer wonders, we’re used to think that young people want freedom, but ISIS is forbidding this?

The anthropologist answers:

I got a call from head of Medical School telling me that her best students have just left to set up field hospital for ISIS in Syria, and she was asking me why would they do this; and I said, “because it’s a glorious and adventurous mission, where they are creating a Brand New World, and they do it under constraints.” I mean, people want to be creative under constraints. A lot of young people just don’t want the kind of absolute freedom you’re talking about. The choices are too great, there’s too much ambiguity and ambivalence. There are too many degrees of freedom and so one can’t chart a life path that’s at all meaningful, and so these young people are in search of significance, and ISIS is trying to show them a way towards significance.

Again, we have to take it very seriously, that’s why I think it’s the most dynamic counter-cultural movement since WWII, and it’s something I don’t think people are taking seriously, just dismissing them as psychopaths and criminals and… this, of course, is something that we have to destroy. I think, we’re on the wrong path in terms of the way we’re going to destroy it.

So what is they way out of this? The first step is in Atran’s view to understand this movement. Current counter-radicalisation approaches lack in his view the mainly positive, empowering appeal and sweep of Isis’s story of the world, and the personalised and intimate approach to individuals across the world. What inspires the ISIS-fighters is not so much the Qur’an but "a thrilling cause that promises glory and esteem".

There are not many anthropologists who are conducting fieldwork among extremists like ISIS/Daesh. It’s not just because it’s dangerous, Atran says in an interview with Scientific American:

It’s because human subjects reviews at universities and especially the [US] defence department won’t let this work be done. It’s not because it puts the researcher in danger, but because human subjects [research ethics] criteria have been set up to defend middle class university students. What are you going do with these kind of protocols when you talk to jihadis? Get them to sign it saying, “I appreciate that the Defense Department has funded this work,” and by the way if you have any complaints, call the human subjects secretary? This sounds ridiculous and nothing gets done, literally.
(…)
Then you have crazy things [required by US funding bodies] like host country authorization. Suppose you want to do work in Israel and Palestine. So you go to the Israelis, say, “We want to do studies, just like we do in American universities” and say, “We need host country authorization from some government.” They say, “Are you crazy?” And in many countries that are in chaos, who’s going to give you permission?

PS: Maybe it might be fruiful to take a look at "On Suicide Bombing" by Talal Asad where he – among others – writes:

It seems to me that there is no moral difference between the horror inflicted by state armies (especially if those armies belong to powerful states that are unaccountable to international law) and the horror inflicted by its insurgents. In the case of powerful states, the cruelty is not random but part of an attempt to discipline unruly populations. Today, cruelty is an indispensable technique for maintaining a particular kind of international order, an order in which the lives of some peoples are less valuable than the lives of others and therefore their deaths less disturbing.

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(draft, post in progress) More surveillance, more bombs, more border controls, less democracy, less freedom: Europe is reacting hysterically after the deadly terror attacks in Paris one week ago. How to make sense of what is happening?

The deadly terror…

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